WebObjects 1.0 Release Date? History?

[andrus-wo at objectstyle.org (Andrus Adamchik)]

> On Friday, May 2, 2003, at 09:33 AM, Geoff Hopson wrote:

> Been reading through those links I just sent -
> amazing to recall what a lead NeXT had in this "enterprise" market. And
> distressing to see how something as <insert adjective here> as J2EE has
taken over...

> Geoff, in "depressed about J2EE" mode

Hehe, I am in this mode most of the time when I am doing any kind of
coding lately.

I can see how this happened, with software being a secondary business for
NeXT and Apple, and Apple not even officially targeting the enterprise
market. What surprises me in regards to J2EE though is that with all the
talent that exists in the community, and all the dissatisfaction with the
state of things, nobody offered an alternative to wipe this nonsense out
of existence.

[Andrus, in "keep on dreaming" mode]

Such alternative doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be) a reverse
engineering of WebObjects or EOF, it can use the best of these
technologies, but look forward rather than backwards. It can be Java (this
is a concession you have to make, though I guess I'd enjoy to play with a
Smalltalk version :-); or maybe something Java-bytecode-compatible, but
language agnostic?), and it may even interoperate with J2EE and .NET to
get more market share. It can use whatever exists out there to cover up
for Java shortcoming (Aspect J, bytecode processing).

>From the business perspective, this must be true OpenSource, as the only
way to win the developers, and backed by a commercial entity, to be
developed faster and have all the marketing backing. Look at JBoss. I
don't care much for their technology, but this model works, if you have
enough to offer your users.

Looks like an idea for a startup, but what the hell, I am tired of all the
recession stuff used as an excuse for not doing anything cool ;-)

Andrus Adamchik